During an interview with IFC to promote his new movie Trespass starring Nicolas Cage and Nicole Kidman, the discussion turned to director Joel Schumacher’s Batman movies. The director touched on a number of topics, ranging from the failure of Batman and Robin, his envy toward Christopher Nolan and who he thought the best Batman is/was.
WTF is with everybody dissing Batman Forever? I guess it is a herd like mentality to do so, what with Christopher Nolan's reboot constantly referred to as a "masterpiece". It isn't. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were booth "good" movies, but also overly dark, overly serious, overly violent and even dreary.
Batman Forever, by contrast, was bright, energetically directed and fun. Yes, Tommy Lee Jones was wasted as a secondary character. But Jim Carrey was perect as the Riddler, Nicole Kidman was the sexiest romatnic interest ever in a Batman movie and Val Kilmer was the best BATMAN EVER! Charismatic as Bruce Wayne and commanding as the Caped Crusader. Quite an improvement on Christian Bale's monotone approach.
I did like Carrey as the Riddler and Tommy Lee Jones as two face, but thats where my appreciation stops, Batman forever was marginally better than Batman and Robin but both were way to on the cheesy kid friendly side. The 2 Burton ones were awesome for the time they came out, but Nolan's franchise has been thus far amazing. Batman is a dark character with a rather large dark side. To do him justice you need a Burton or Nolan take on it. I just hope Dark Knight Returns is as good as expected.
Was Joel smoking something illegal? Only Batman movies worth their salt were directed by Christopher Nolan and Tim Burton. Schulmacher was an established director and punked our wussed out because both his Batman movies were inferior. I understand how much the studio messes stuff up, but he came onboard after Burton was release to take direction FROM the studio. HE was making the movie for the studio heads and not the audience. That was his job. So I am not getting behind his woah is me act.
Honestly, Batman Forever was an incredibly good movie aside from the campiness of two-face, whom I think should've been a little more serious like Aaron Eckhart's version. I think Batman & Robin was crap, but I don't blame George Clooney, and the script wasn't bad. I think Schumacher and the studio made a bad call to make it even MORE campy and fantastical. He is bluffing minorly in this interview. I believe his trying to say I wanted to make the Dark Knight is load of crap. I think he wanted to go back to a similar version of the tim burton Batman's. Not a bad idea actually. with kilmer in hand and a darker tone, the Batman & Robin script could have potientally become a decent movie. Unfortunately it ended up being the worst.
Also, I agree. Besides these, Joel Schumacher is a FANTASTIC director. He should always keep making films, just stay away from Batman. Keep doing what he does best and we'll certainly be entertained.
Schumacher is and always will be the Batman KILLER!! Keep him far far far away from the Batman franchise. Schumacher is short for *******. Christopher Nolan is the rightful man for the job. The Dark Knight Lives again in Christopher Nolans eyes only!
I don't know if it is just that I like the Nolan flicks the best or if i truly feel CB is the best but I have to go with CB. Keaton was alright. He always seemed to be lacking something for me though. CB does it very well but I'm going to have to go with Bale.
If Kilmer was the "Best Batmen" then why did they recast as the role to George Clooney? Answer me that Schumacher!!!!! You make me sick!!! Keaton and Bale totally destroy Kilmer. Better Batmans...Better Villians...Better ******* Movies!!!!
Listen, Joel... you had your chance to make a serious Batman film. Trying to steal some of Nolan's sucess by saying that you wanted to make The Dark Knight is wrong, and won't give you any more respect from your fanbase.
Great cast, bad movie. I remember leaving the theater and having a headache thanks to all the neon lights. I agree that Jim Carey should have made the perfect Riddler, it just needed to be a dark movie.
Michael Keaton: Best. Batman. Ever.
He wasn't allowed to make a darker version? Funny, seems like Burton did it just fine.
Schumacher's films were WAY too campy, it's no reason the franchise fizzled out. Thank God for Chris Nolan!
Listen, Joel, no one buys that you wanted to make a serious "Dark Knight" style Batman movie. You put nipples on the batsuit, had butt shots, and a cod piece. If you wanted to make a serious Batman movie and the studio wouldn't let you, just walk away, man. That is, unless, you had a boat to pay for and desperately needed the money. Next you'll say the studio kidnapped your family and forced you to make Batman and Robin. I'll set the record straight for you: Batman Forever was disappointing, Batman and Robin was terrible. Michael Keaton was the best Batman.
Does anyone else think that the practice of putting two high value baddies in one film is a waste of celluloid? The first Batman had one, the second movie had two, and then it carried on from there. There were three movies that could have been made well, instead of what we were given. The Penguin was mishandled, Poison Ivy was a whole movie to herself (if the subject matter had been taken more seriously), and what a waste of a story featuring Victor Freeze. Nolan has proved that the story should come before the merchandising, I will be very sorry to see him go.
P.S. Joel- I have been a fan and admirer of your films over the years. Please stick to your sequel policy and thank you for not giving us "St. Elmo's Fire II" The 1st was great!
I loved Batman Forever for what it was... a break from the dark brooding of the first two films and a nice wink of the eye to the campiness of the Adam West Batman TV show. For that homage I have always been greatful being that I grew up with that TV show as well as the Super Friends etc. With the exception of few minor kinks (I tink Tommy Lee Jones had Two Face and the Joker confused) It was great fun. Batman and Robin however, was just too much... almost unwatchable. I'm a huge comics fan and an even bigger movie fan and I understand that some things need to be changed for the translation but... yeah... just way too much going wrong. I love Mr. Schmachers films and appreciate his artistry, too bad he wasn't allowed to be unleashed...
From Batman Forever to Batman and Robin you could see the campiness carrying over and going towards a more Adam West era style Batman. So a Dark Knight by Schumacher could have possibly been an even worse movie than what Batman and Robin was but some fans like one style and some the other darker newer films.
It had the campiness, but it didn't work. For one thing, the movie wanted us to both relish in the corniness of it and take it seriously. For example: the Batman credit card. Then, Alfred got sick and audience was then expected to shift gears and take the movie seriously. It was uneven and didn't work at all. If you're going to do camp, you'd have to do it all the way. You can't have bat nipples one minute, and then the next minute feel sorry for Mr. Freeze's plight because his wife was killed. Schumacher needed to pick a tone and stick with it.
I'm glad they didn't let Joel Schumacher anywhere near the Batman franchise after Batman & Robin. He should stick to Musicals.
Exactly. If people wanted the campiness of the Adam West Batman . . . they would watch the campiness of the Adam West Batman.
I do have mixed feelings about Batman and Robin. I felt the only error in casting was signing George Cluney as Batman. Sorry George, your a great actor, but you were the worst batman ever. Aside from that i didnt mind the cast. my other problem was they almost tried to make it feel like the old Adam West style batman. With lots of attempts at witty jokes. That may have worked back then but it was a failure in Batman and Robin. As for the best batman. Easily without question would have to be Micheal Keeton. No one else comes close to his version of the Bat. Second would be Christian Bale, and at a very close third would be Val Kilmer.
Thank God Schumacher hasn't been allowed to make a new Batman movie.
If he wanted a darker Batman movie, why was he always smiling when referring to adding nipples to the costumes. Apparently he say it as a joke and was in on the joke. The nipples wasn't the problem, the problem was that back then, he seemed to be in on making the movie silly over all.
That movie was crap. so was the cast.
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