Happy Spider-Monday! It's being billed as Spider-Man: Endgame -- a Spider-Man movie so big and so historic, it's pulling in characters from across 20 years of live-action Spider-Man movies. This third film in the "Homecoming" trilogy, Spider-Man: No Way Home, will wrap up a trilogy of films that began with 2017's Spider-Man: Homecoming, and continued with 2019's Spider-Man: Far From Home, but it won't be the last we see of Tom Holland's Spider-Man. Not by a long shot.
With tickets now on sale for Spider-Man: No Way Home (in theaters December 17), Fandango spoke with producer Amy Pascal, who was not only an integral part of the earlier Spider-Man film franchises starring Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield, but she was also a key figure in negotiating the game-changing collaboration between Sony Pictures, which owns the film rights for Spider-Man, and Marvel Studios, which makes films and TV shows for Disney's Marvel Cinematic Universe. Pascal was quick to confirm that Sony will continue to collaborate with Marvel Studios on Spider-Man movies, and those movies will indeed star Tom Holland.
"This is not the last movie that we are going to make with Marvel – [this is not] the last Spider-Man movie," Pascal revealed. "We are getting ready to make the next Spider-Man movie with Tom Holland and Marvel. We're thinking of this as three films, and now we're going to go onto the next three. This is not the last of our MCU movies."
Before that next trilogy of films begin for Holland's Spider-Man, he must first contend with a multiversal story that will push the character and test him in ways not yet seen in the previous two films. Ahead, Pascal teases the high stakes of the film, the difficulty of keeping its massive story and character lineup a secret, and how it fits in alongside Sony's other Marvel movies, like Venom and the upcoming Morbius (in theaters January 28). The producer of Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse also teases the next chapter in that Oscar-winning animated series, and offers up what it'll take to eventually see a live action Miles Morales potentially join Tom Holland in an upcoming Spider-Man movie.
But first! Here's a new message from central trio of Spider-Man: No Way Home: Tom Holland, Zendaya and Jacob Batalon...
Fandango: We are very excited. Let me jump in, so I don't take up too much of your time. You know, as someone who's been intricately involved with Spider-Man movies for the past 20 years, where does No Way Home sit on the list of Amy Pascal all timers? Is it up there?
Amy Pascal: Oh. Oh, the movie is... so ambitious and the movie has everything that people have come to expect from a Spider-Man movie. All the spectacle, all the heart, but at the same time, as expansive as it is, it's always a very intimate story that is about Peter Parker… and his heart.
Fandango: Would you say that this movie wraps a bow around 20 years of live action Spider-Man movies?
Amy Pascal: Well, here's what I would say. I would say that it's the culmination of the Homecoming trilogy, of the story of Tom Holland becoming the Spider-Man that we've all been waiting for him to be. It certainly tells that story and it does... and as you know from seeing the trailers, it does bring some of the characters from the early movies together. And yes, wrapping a bow around it sounds nice.
Fandango: Speaking of, the film does bring back some villains from other Spider-Man films. Is there one villain that you're most excited to get another crack at?
Amy Pascal: Oh, I couldn't possibly say that. I'm just thrilled that everybody is going to be able to see these magnificent actors reprise these roles, which they were so brilliant at. And which they do this time, and I think it's going to be really special.
Fandango: Was it easy to wrangle all of those actors from previous films? Was that a fun pitch to bring to them?
Amy Pascal: You know what? If you love what you are doing and you're enthusiastic about it, they all loved playing those characters in the past and there was not a one of them who wasn't, "Sign me up!"
Fandango: How would you say Tom Holland's Spider-Man evolves as a character in this third film?
Amy Pascal: I would say this movie deals with everything. It's about family and love and honor and sacrifice. But it's always centered around the decisions that Spider-Man has to make, right? It's always about him being torn between the moment that he's in and the destiny that is in front of him, and that's what he's dealing with in this movie in a really big way.
Fandango: How do you think Tom Holland has separated himself from previous versions of Spider-Man played by Tobey Maguire and Andrew?
Amy Pascal: I think each of the actors brought their own kind of humanity to the character. All of them are brilliant and Tom is singular. I think that he's embodied everything about Peter Parker that everybody was looking for. He's funny and charming and... a fantastic athlete and a wonderful actor, and he has such humanity.
Fandango: Similarly, Zendaya and Jacob Batalon have been there alongside Tom for all three films…
Amy Pascal: You know, the three of them grew up together on these movies and I think this one was really poignant for them, since they started as sophomores and in the end, they're seniors on these films. And I think it was very emotional for them. They really all grew up together and as everyone knows, they're all great friends.
Fandango: This movie has so many little intricacies to it. Has it been one of the more difficult Spider-Man movies to sort of keep under wraps because of all of the big surprises in it?
Amy Pascal: Boy, you could probably answer that question. You know. Yes, we've been... we don't want to spoil things for people, you know? That's one of the problems with movies is that people know everything before they walk into the theater. So we've been trying to make sure people get the full theatrical experience when they go to the movie. And yeah, you try to never confirm anything in any movie, but this one is a big one.
Fandango: You know, as you wrap up this trilogy of films in collaboration with Marvel Studios…
Amy Pascal: Can I say something about that?
Amy Pascal: This is not the last movie that we are going to make with Marvel – [this is not] the last Spider-Man movie. We are getting ready to make the next Spider-Man movie with Tom Holland and Marvel, it just isn't part of… we're thinking of this as three films, and now we're going to go onto the next three. This is not the last of our MCU movies.
Fandango: It’s great to know that this collaboration is going to continue.
Amy Pascal: Yes, Marvel and Sony are going to keep going together as partners.
Fandango: While we're looking back at this specific trilogy, what's been your biggest takeaway from this collaboration with Marvel Studios? And do you think that this is something Hollywood could build from in the future? Or do you think this is like a rare bird, or rare spider?
Amy Pascal: [Laughs] Rare spider. Spider-Man is always very special and different from everything else, but I think the beautiful thing is you had two big corporations that decided to work together for the good of the story and the character, and I don't think that's always the spirit that you see. Yeah, working together and helping each other make things be better is a good model.
Fandango: Is it tougher to weave together this Spider-Man universe in because Sony also has this other universe of characters like Venom and Morbius, and then there's the MCU characters. Is it a bit of a juggling act to manage all these different characters?
Amy Pascal: Well, there's the Marvel Universe, which is one container and then there's the Spider-Verse movies, which are different and then there's the other universe where the Sony characters are in. We all are very respectful of each other and work together and make sure that we're only being additive.
Fandango: You’re very familiar with Spider-Man movies over the years, so where do you think No Way Home ranks against all these other live-action Spider-Man movies? Do you think this is an all-timer for Spider-Man?
Amy Pascal: Well, I certainly hope so. The audience and the world will be the judge of that. Kevin [Feige] and I are very proud of this movie.
Fandango: This film begins to explore more of the multiverse, but in live-action form. Audiences are a lot more familiar with the multiverse thanks to the animated Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse film. How important do you think multiverse storytelling will be for comic book movies over the next five, even ten years?
Amy Pascal: I think you're going to see a lot of people exploring those worlds because it's interesting. The parallel universes make for so many interesting stories, but I don't think that every single movie is going to end up taking place in the multiverse. I think it's really exciting, and this movie certainly does.
Fandango: We were just talking to Phil [Lord] and Chris [Miller] about Into the Spider-Verse, and we asked them about the much larger presence multiverse storytelling has now in film and TV. They are right to say it was the comics that did it first.
Amy Pascal: Yeah, it was... when I approached Chris and Phil about doing the Spider-Verse movies when I was still running Sony, I said, "Can you guys figure out how to do an animated Spider-Man movie?" And the first thing they said to me was, "Absolutely, if we do Spider-Verse and we do Miles." And I'm like, "Right on." Because of course, it is in the comics, but nobody could have done it better than them.
Fandango: How are things going on that second Spider-Verse movie?
Amy Pascal: It’s going to be fantastic. We have something to show on that very soon.
Fandango: I’m sure fans will be happy to hear that. You know, speaking of the fans, many of them want to see Tom Holland’s Spider-Man go up against Tom Hardy's Venom. They want to see a live-action Miles Morales. What would you say to those things? Do you have stuff in the works?
Amy Pascal: I would say there's so many things that we're going to be able to explore, but what we always have to do before we decide who the villain is going to be and what Spidey goes up against is what is the story we're telling about? You know? What's the Peter Parker story we're telling? What's the Miles Morales story that we're telling? But we always have to start with that. The good thing about these movies is as big as the canvas they take place on can be, they are always just stories about a kid.
Fandango: Just a kid from Queens…
Amy Pascal: Just a kid from Queens or Brooklyn, in the case of Miles, right?
Fandango: Of course!
Amy Pascal: In the case of Peter, he’s just a kid from Queens who’s got no money and wishes he could have a normal life.
Fandango: Do you think we’ll ever see Tom’s Spider-Man in a movie not connected to the MCU?
Any Pascal: We all want to keep making movies together. How’s that for an answer?
Fandango: That’s a good answer, Amy. As we wrap up, what do you hope audiences take away from No Way Home? What do you hope they're talking about as they leave the theater?
Amy Pascal: You know, Spider-Man is different for each person at different ages in their life, you know? He means one thing to you when you're a kid, he means another thing to you when you're in the middle of your life and another thing to you when you're older. I hope everybody finds that in this movie. I really think the movie is for everybody, and I think that it speaks to a large audience. And that's what I'm hoping.