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Fanboy Fix, Summer Movies 2012
With full access to Hollywood.. Ridley Scott and his team should have been crushed by Black Spaceship down.. what a waste of time and money. He must have needed the money.. and we know who run barter town with its Judeo Christian themes even at the end.. while you are decapitating old men.. and what with the bad make up on Guy Pierce.. just get an old guy, not like that was much acting.. no one clapped at the end of the movie.. everyone felt suckered into the post Alien sequel.. ripping off 2001 .. GOD help you.. glad that Madagascar kicked your retread ideas.. I guess you were able to use a lot of the old Alien set.. just bad.. and I loved Alien.. and the buzz from the girls was that the female lead had way too much Botox. When Spiderman
Prometheus does not provide the connection to the original Alien movie until the last 30 minutes, but any sci-fi/Alien franchise will see it soon enough. Charlize Theron plays another stone cold character, but, several notches below her evil queen role in Snow White and the Huntsmen. Michael Fassbender plays a fair android to Ian Holm's Ash or Lance Hendrickson's Bishop. Prometheus story was slow moving, at first, but picked up as the storyline developed. The Prometheus best scene, as far as I am concerned, is Noomi Rapace's Swan character in the bio-med surgical unit, a scene the studios allegedly wanted cut from final editing. I am glad it was left in the movie, others may not. Overall, a fair "prequel" that is worthy of a look see.
I'm glad the studios didn't "sanitize" it out of the movie... I mean, c'mon, this is a precursor to Alien. Y'know, where an alien eats its way out of someone's stomach amidst a spray of blood. This wasn't the CareBears, studio folks. A little gory squiddy exorcism was par for the course!
Great CGI? Check! Plot holes big enough to drive a Mack truck through? Check!
So, everyone here has seen it already, so hopefully I'm not spoiling anything for anyone...
** SPOILER ALERT ** SPOILERS BELOW **
So, okay, I know this isn't a prequel to the original Alien movie...
Uhh, what?? The Hell you say! This is about as direct a prequel as you could ask for... The fact Ridley threw in some alien human predecessorial super-race to explain away the space jockey seems more like window dressing than a major plot point.
The "space jockey" seems like a flat 1-dimensional character with no apparent motivation other than "Hey, I just woke up, I'm in a bad mood, leave me the *bleep* alone, kids! Hulk SMASH!"
So, okay, we know the space jockey was in the "control chair" at the beginning of Alien. With chest bursted outward, through the 'ribs.' So, riddle my dad this (thanks Dad!): in the last scene before the credits roll, the space jockey has been mauled by the giant Lovecraftian face-hugging squid, and goes through the chest bursting sequence on the floor, spewing out what seems to be something like the progenitor Queen alien. But, uhh, okay, if he's on the floor, having just busted open, how the *bleep* is he still in the control chair at the start of Alien with the "ribs" busted out? You can't be on the floor dead and in the chair dead at the same time. Which is it Riddley? Floor or chair? Can't have it both ways! Epic Continuity Violation!
On a 2nd re-watch, I see that this APPARENT continuity violation goes away, as they built-in an escape clause: This isn't LV-426, it's LV-223 per the opening scenes. So, unless the designation got changed later, this isn't the same planet, and that's a DIFFERENT downed space jockey ship... Problem solved. Clever boy! :P Doesn't solve some of the other problems, but at least it's something. :)
Not only that, but this "origin story" for the xenomorphs directly violates the AVP storylines (however bad/trivial they might have been) as well as the comics, etc. That is, if Predators have been harvesting / using aliens for thousands if not millions of years, that predates their supposed "genesis" in Prometheus by, uhh, thousands or millions of years. Another Epic Continuity Violation. Okay, okay, comics aren't canon, per se. But the AVP movies are about as close to canon as a cross-over type movie or comic can be. So, completely throwing it out and starting over seems overtly... WRONG.
Why are the canisters holding the black good biological weapons egg-shaped? This is, I guess, yet another self-serving homage? There's no reason the goo needs to be in approximately xenomorph egg-shaped vessels arranged like the Queen might have laid them. One assumes they weren't "laid." So, it seems... Weird. Of course other homages were all over the place. The geological formations in the cave system look like an alien hive. The mountain looks like the head of the "newborn" hybrid from Alien Resurrection. There's the recycled scene of not being let back onto the ship after infection. There's plenty of recycled dialog and inflections directly reminiscent of specific scenes in prior movies.
Err, that should say "black goo..."
why does an alien like Ridley Scott get to make movies.. Tony would have done a better job
In retrospect, I'm a little disappointed that the whole DNA matching sequence wasn't even a bit better done. It seemed silly that our DNA was a "perfect match" for theirs. It would have been more interesting if our DNA was a perfect match for "a portion of theirs," as in, not their entire genome. We were merely a fractional genetic mishap. Would have been cool if in addition to comparing their genetics to ours, their genetics were also compared to say squids, monkeys, fish, etc. etc. Each matching some overlapping fragmentary piece of the larger genome. That would have made more sense in light of the opening scene showing its DNA breaking apart after falling in the river and being washed downstream. Rise of ALL life? Missed opportunity...
Speaking of the opening scene, in retrospect it's not clear exactly what happened. It looked like it ate the black organic goo WILLINGLY and then died. Did it KNOW that it would perish from eating it? Did it intend to die? Did it intend to seed life that way? Was it just an accident? That whole scene doesn't seem to make a lot of sense...
The opening scene was a sacrificial "engineer". The black goo isn't reserved just for what ends up creating an alien. It is the ingredients for a new species- any species that they create. In the opening scene, the engineer swallows the goo, which breaks down and changes his DNA. He falls into the water (on the emtpy planet Earth), and we see his DNA shifting, and cells start to multiply, thus the beginning of life on Earth.
Perhaps so? Still, seems weird that a race so advanced wouldn't just have a genetics lab where they could just "produce" whatever they needed / wanted. If so, this seems an extremely inefficient way to produce new life...
Okay, so there was the face molesting snake-thing in the cave, which seems to have impregnated one of the guys and then the result slithered off. We didn't ever see that thing again, did we? What was it? Seemed like a predecessor to the chestburster, of some sort. But the face hugger, err face molester wasn't quite a true facehugger. So, maybe that thing wasn't a true chestburster either. Come to think of it, the thing that came out of the space jockey wasn't quite a true queen alien either. So, do the not-quite-chestburster & not-quite-queen alien somehow get together later and have a ******* mutant child 'xenomorph'? Maybe the not-quite-chestburster turns into another not-quite-facehugger & impregnates the not-quite-Queen alien? Confusing
On a 2nd re-watch, it actually looks like the facemolester may have "evolved" from the mealworm looking things they tracked in on their boots (from where? Did worms ride all the way to the other side of the galaxy on boots in storage, or were they endemic to the planet?). It may also have been that the thing that came out of his esophagus WAS the face-molester itself? In which case, did it lay anything in him? If so, what was it? We never saw anything hatch from his chest. The only thing that 'hatched' was at the END of the movie from the giant squiddy facehugger on the space jockey. If so, was the facemolester just a red herring, or does it have some role to play in the story? Do queen precursor and facemolester have to combine somehow?
So, if the Earth spaceship crashed into the alien spaceship, shouldn't the Nostromo have found Earthship wreckage when they investigated the planet? What about the inhabitants of Hadley's Hope? Wouldn't THEY have noticed something?
Speaking of which, the weather on the planet was WAY TOO NICE to have been LV-426. In the original Alien movie it was hazy, windy, noxious and nearly impossible to navigate. In Prometheus it seemed like it was "clear skies" for most of the movie. Other than the random "silicon storm" or whatever nonsense that was. Really didn't seem like the same planet! You'd think the Hadley's Hope folks would have noticed the big alien structures, too... They're uhh, kind of hard to miss, yeah?
i just saw prometheus and liked everything about it. plot holes? a few but if you go to a flick and want all explanations to a complex event, this is not the movie for you. this is pure popcorn event from start to finish. even in real life (not to be confused with reel life), there are going to be things that are left unsaid and unfinished. my understanding is that the giant alien in his launch chair, as first seen in 'alien', might've been on another planet or moon . no where does it say it was the same place in the original movie. these were space travelers and the universe as big as it is was never too big for the travelers to 'visit'. it seems they came, left and later was found their biological left-overs. ergo, alien and aliens.
Ridely wanted to make a prequel, but the guy he was working with wanted to turn it into another movie and bring in god, human origin, and such. You can see the conflict in the movie b/c Ridely gave in after filming started.
That being said, the ship, aliens, corporation, and cyborg all are related to the original Alien movie. What I don't get is the alien drinking the poison at the start and disintegrating as that added nothing to the movie... I also thought it was ridiculous that the main woman developed a child size alien in her, had surgery, took tons of drugs, and still was running around like a champ...The auto surgery machine has to be the worst ever. Giant cut, giant staples, no anesthesia, no internal staples...
Excellent visuals beautifully executed as we've come to expect from any film helmed by Ridley. Too bad the story muddled along in half-baked fashion, giving us more stupidity than intelligent revelations leading to more thought provoking questions. I have no desire to see the follow up- which essentially will be a girl chasing her faith in an alien spacecraft with a talking head by her side. Considering the LOST scribe's track record of not knowing how to conclude anything, I wonder why he was entrusted with this once iconic franchise. But then again, considering the last couple of Alien outings maybe they figured anything was a step up. Worth seeing for the visuals and Fassbender's performance, Ridley should be ashamed of the rest.
It was exactly what I expected. I loved it! Did everyone really think this was going to be a a direct 'Alien' prequel? I know it hurts movie goers to actually think or have an intellectual conversation after a movie. Regardless of f/x or age of movies... It just seems anytime people are challenged to think after a movie it makes it bad. IMHO
Weeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllll.... With a given that movies that actually try to answer the origin question will usually come up short (I mean really?) the best you can realistically hope for are more questions.
I thought it answered some questions and raised new ones.
The Alien was no accident, it was created or harnessed as a weapon and designed or altered to mutate or evolve which makes counter measures difficult. The accident was it got loose.
The big unanswered question, were the space jockeys / engineers really the creators of humanity or hateful distant cousins, xenophobia is strong?
And they didn't leave the space jockey in the chair in the ship?
From what I understand, they didn't leave the space jockey in his chair because that's not THE space jockey from Alien. This movie takes place on a different moon (the one next to the moon/planet from Alien).
I found the supposedly "heady" and though-provoking debate to be on par with what I would find if I hung out by where the bong was hitting the hardest at a frat party. It was ridiculously shallow. I didn't even care about the questions. They were pointless. I didn't care about any of it! I wanted to, so badly. I wanted to love this movie, but ten minutes in after the strongest portion (which was completely dialogue free except for the ultra-disappointing "I watched you dream" b.s.), my hopes were all beginning to wane. They were sunk completely by the end.
SOOO Many Plot holes, it was one thing after another. The film was visually stunning and the performances were solid, by MY GOD!!!! the story was no walk in the park
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